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http://www.usatoday.com/money/perfi/taxes/2008-06-11-taxes_N.htm?csp=34


Thousands who earn $200,000+ avoid income tax

By Kevin McCoy, USA TODAY

Death is inevitable, but federal income taxes aren't for an increased number of high-income earners.

New IRS statistics show 7,389 federal tax returns with $200,000 or more in adjusted gross income reported no federal income taxes in 2005. That's a 161% jump from the 2,833 comparable returns filed in 2004.

Additionally, 4,224 of the over-$200,000 earners reported no worldwide income tax liability on their 2005 returns, the IRS data show. That represents a 75% increase from the 2,420 comparable returns filed in 2004.

The data are the most recent available from the IRS. It shows a rising number of high-income earners have avoided the alternative minimum tax, which was intended to ensure that tax shelters, deductions and loopholes wouldn't exempt wealthy Americans from paying at least some federal income tax.

"It's an interesting case study on how people find ways to avoid paying taxes," said Howard Gleckman, a senior research associate and tax blog editor at The Tax Policy Center, a joint venture of the Urban Institute and the Brookings Institution.

The increases stem in part from two tax law changes, according to the IRS Spring 2008 Statistics of Income Bulletin.

Responding to Hurricane Katrina, Washington exempted charitable contributions between Aug. 27, 2005, and Jan. 1, 2006, from the overall limit on itemized tax deductions and the 50% of adjusted gross income limit for such giving. The one-time change wasn't limited to hurricane-related contributions.

"There was no excuse for not restricting it to the affected area," said Joann Weiner, a former Treasury Department employee who analyzed the changes in her current job as a contributing editor at Tax Analysts, a non-profit publisher of tax information and data.

Under the American Jobs Creation Act of 2004, Washington also allowed taxpayers to eliminate up to 100% of their alternative minimum tax liability by using credits for any foreign taxes paid. Before tax year 2005, those credits could only eliminate 90% of federal income taxes.

High-income earners — guided by accountants and tax advisers — reacted swiftly to the change, which remains in effect. In 2004, IRS data show they reported $16.6 million in foreign tax credits. The following year, the total credits claimed soared to $447.3 million.

"You can make the case for this on the merits: You've paid taxes on the income once, why should you have to pay it again?" Gleckman said.

He and other tax specialists said they were unsure whether the no-taxes-paid trend is likely to accelerate. But they offered greater assurance that federal officials anticipated the likely outcome of the tax law changes.

"My sense of it is that the people who introduce these provisions know exactly who is going to benefit," Gleckman said.

cheryl212
wELL THATS A GOD IDEA TO SAVE TAX

BUT IS IT LEGAL

fender5150
Thanks for this post. I hope it stirs some healthy debate.

I don't see a problem, especially with the charitable contribution deduction. I can guarantee the money is being used more efficiently when it's given to a relief organization, rather than to the government. I'm not saying relief org's are efficient. I'm saying Government isn't (efficient).

On a similar note, I read somewhere that 470 multi-millionaires renounced their US citizenship and moved out of the country in 2007 (The number is increasing exponentially each year):
This is because taxes are TOO HIGH for business owners and wealth producers. I used to work for a Software company who was bought out by a Company operating in Ireland, which sucks because a great number of jobs were lost here: But why not move over-seas? It's much easier to operate a business over there!

I'm not going to move my businesses over-seas, ever! But I understand the motivation to do so. I will say this. I don't want to hire another employee till tax rates get better for "the rich". Why should I put up with the hassle and take the risk? Employees can be difficult to deal with - Bosses are no picnic either, I know. : )

Please keep this in mind. The government doesn't create wealth, they take it. I know there are a lot of people 'hurting' out there, and they are looking for help. I've been in and out of poverty a few times myself, but it wasn't Government that helped.

I very much believe that the free market (and freedom) is the only solution. Socialism is too constrictive and discouraging. Surely we can see that by now.

I always like to end with a solution rather than a criticism, so hear goes:
Employers/Business owners/budding entreprenuers: Try to provide the best service you can to your clients and to the community, keep your promises, and make your deadlines. If you do this, you will create a monopoly in any business segment you are in, especially The Construction Industry!
Employees: Do your best: Put in a good day's work every day. Make an effort to get along with your co-workers, and do your best to create a pleasant work atmosphere.
Don't be discouraged if you think you're making to little, and don't be intimidated if you think you're making too much: Make the same sincere effort under all circumstances. BTW: I've been in both situations at separate times in my life. I prefer the later, but both can be very stressful!

Thanks,

Fender
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1_more_opai
nice post fender.

fender5150
Thanks 1_more_opai!

Here are a few more antecdotes (true stories). I'm sure many people have noticed a correlation between high taxes and rotten economies:
Remember the late 70's (massive income tax rates)? Remember how we got out of it in the early 80's (Taxes simplified and rates lowered)?

Here's another example:
Years ago, I was very fortunate to work with a great CFO at a small company (100 employees). He chose to work there instead of Borden (who offered him 500% more than we were paying him).
He was (and is) a great leader! Borden really could have used him. He chose the smaller company for two reasons:
1. He didn't want the hassle. He worked 45 hours a week for us, verses the 60 week he would have worked at Borden. And at our place he was only responsible for 100 jobs.
2. The IRS would have taken a huge % of his pay.

Here's another:
Warren Buffet Shelters a huge % of his money by investing in municipal bonds. He risks a small portion of his money on ventures like Executive Jet, but imagine the businesses that could develop and prosper if Mr. Buffet socked 50% of his portfolio into the market. He won't do it because he doesn't want to pay the high taxes, and who can blame him.

On a smaller scale:
I know a specialty contractor who has stopped marketing for new work. He bought a farm and is planning to semi-retire. He's using his current employees to work his existing contracts: As the contracts run out, he's helping them find other jobs.
The reason: He's tired of the hassle of having employees, and he's tired of paying huge taxes. His business is VERY profitable, and his employees make a ton! Well, they did.

On a larger scale:
The CA governor just announced that taxes are being raised on businesses and on the 'rich'. The next day, Toyota of America announced that they will not be opening the Prius plant in CA after all. Meanwhile, he's launching a massively expensive 'green' initiative - As he flies to work every day in a Jet.

Just some more food for thought, though I think I'm preaching to the choir on this forum. Are there any Socialists out there?

Thanks,

Fender5150

johns
On a similar note, I read somewhere that 470 multi-millionaires renounced their US citizenship and moved out of the country in 2007 (The number is increasing exponentially each year):
[B]This is because taxes are TOO HIGH for business owners and wealth producers.

Aren't you still liable to pay taxes even if you do that?

benepson
A lot of people are avoiding income taxes by using S-Corps and LLCs unfortunately. I know someone that has his one and only car (a pricey BMW) under his S-Corp and all his credit cards are too. This is a crime and unfortunately I see no end in site with it.

fender5150
A lot of people are avoiding income taxes by using S-Corps and LLCs unfortunately. I know someone that has his one and only car (a pricey BMW) under his S-Corp and all his credit cards are too. This is a crime and unfortunately I see no end in site with it.

S-Corps and LLCs save taxes under certain conditions. C-Corps are better under certain conditions. None of these entities are illegal.

Putting the car under his business isn't a crime either.
The crime would take place if your friend isn't paying taxes no the personal use of the car.
Same with the credit cards. Personal use has to be separated out.

Regarding the credit cards:
As a CPA, I can tell you that this kind of business practice makes it much more difficult (expensive) to prepare someone's books. All that activity on the card has to be separated between business and personal, and the business use has to be substantiated, or it cannot be deducted.

Anyone who prepares someone's books runs a very big risk if they don't make sure the records are accurate, as mentioned above - CPA or otherwise. Here's why:
There's a (fairly new) IRS rule, that says a paid tax preparer must take a position on a tax return that has at least a 60% chance of passing in an audit: I'm not saying "60% chance that no one will find it": There must be at least a 60% chance that the auditor (after finding the issue) will say "cool! That's deductible!".
The ramifications of this rule have been very dramatic actually. The cost of tax preparation has skyrocketed.

Ever wonder why H&R Block's fees have gone up so much? This is the reason. And you can't do your own taxes! (Well you can, but) Audit risk goes down substantially if you have a paid preparer do your taxes - Even more if that preparer is a CPA.

Don't get me wrong. I like this rule. But I also think it's unfortunate that we need a rule like this to encourage people to do the right thing.

ricarte
On a similar note, I read somewhere that 470 multi-millionaires renounced their US citizenship and moved out of the country in 2007 (The number is increasing exponentially each year):
This is because taxes are TOO HIGH for business owners and wealth producers. I used to work for a Software company who was bought out by a Company operating in Ireland, which sucks because a great number of jobs were lost here: But why not move over-seas? It's much easier to operate a business over there!



It is simple equation - no? Business must cut cost. Tax is a big cost. Wages is big cost too but one can not cut employee too much - then no one left to do work.

But some one must pay tax.

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pepepe
Taxes are very high compare with other countries we need to lower the tax rate or go to a flat tax system.
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