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fleetwoodjack
Retired parents’ primary asset is set of Mass Mutual whole life policies (one @ $200k, one @ $100k, plus several smaller policies). Total death benefit is approx $480k ($445k basic coverage plus paid-up additions), total cash surrender value approx $290k (less $15k in loans). Dividends have been applied to cover premiums fully in recent years, but 2008 dividends of $11,200 did not quite cover premium total of $11,700. Concern is that if Mass Mutual reduces dividends significantly, parents won’t be able to cover premiums out of pocket. Other than SS, they have no income.

As to ages/health: father is almost 76, health a 4 on a scale of 1-10 (relatively active, e.g., regular golfer who walks the course, but does have a heart condition under management); mother is 74, health a 5 or 6.
Other than covering own living expenses, they have no other particular obligations (e.g., children all grown/independent).

Real concern as expressed by father is "if Mass Mutual reduces dividends to point I cannot afford premiums, what should I do?" He is particularly concerned about possible tax implications of taking cash value or even using some to cover premiums. He wonders whether these policies are a "luxury" that he can afford.

Should they look at using CSV to make up the difference between dividends and premiums and maintain the policies as-is?

Should my father take out small loans against the policies each year if and as necessary to cover any gaps where annual premiums exceed annual dividends? (or at least be prepared to do that as the situation unfolds each year)

Is there a way to set things up with MassMutual such that my father would not get billed for premiums any longer, e.g., that future costs of maintaining coverage would automatically be offset against dividends, with any premium-minus-dividend differential being handled by reduction of cash value and/or death benefit?

What are the tax implications? Are there any immediate tax implications associated with borrowing against the policies, or does borrowing just impact the amount of death benefit/cash value available for later payout? If any scenario involves use of cash value to pay current premiums, would there be any immediate tax implications there?

General question—any thoughts on the outlook for future Mass Mutual dividends? Any sense of that, any way to anticipate? (if dividends were to continue covering premiums, we have no concerns)

What is the best strategy here? What factors should we be considering? What options might there be? Our Mass Mutual rep has been nonresponsive lately, and in any event, we would like independent advice on this. Any guidance would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.

pricespector
Is there a way to set things up with MassMutual such that my father would not get billed for premiums any longer, e.g., that future costs of maintaining coverage would automatically be offset against dividends, with any premium-minus-dividend differential being handled by reduction of cash value and/or death benefit?Yes. You can ask Mass Mutual to set the policy up for Automatic Premium Loans. This will generate a small loan against the cash values to make up any shortfall. It is not a taxable event.

What are the tax implications? Are there any immediate tax implications associated with borrowing against the policies, or does borrowing just impact the amount of death benefit/cash value available for later payout? If any scenario involves use of cash value to pay current premiums, would there be any immediate tax implications there?Generally, there are no tax implications for borrowing against the cash values as long as the policy remains in force. The only taxable portion of the policy is the growth (profit) and it is only taxed at normal income if withdrawn, vice taken as a loan. Your parents can withdraw cash (without generating a loan) up to their cost basis, or the maount they paid into the policy. This amount includes premiums paid using dividends in past years. It's basically the annual premium X the number of years the policy was in force. Loans will reduce the death benefit on a dollar for dollar basis in they remain unpaid at the time of death.

General question—any thoughts on the outlook for future Mass Mutual dividends? Any sense of that, any way to anticipate? (if dividends were to continue covering premiums, we have no concerns)All of the big mutuals saw a small decrease in divdends this year and it is a direct result of the economy and prevailing interest rates. In future years you should expect the dividends to increase once again, covering the full cost of the policies. Mass mutual's hedge fund group had some more serious exposure to the Bernie Madoff scandal ($3.3 Billlion), but the insurance division remained more or less isolated with an overall writedown of $160 million (pocket change for them). The overall strength of the company is still rated HIGHEST (AAA) and they should preform better once interest rates rise.

http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2009/04/20/bay_state_firm_is_sued_in_madoff_scandal/

fleetwoodjack
pricespector, thanks much for the input.

pricespector
You're very welcome.

blastAway
Is there another option with respect to selling previously purchased insurance i.e. PUAs to fund the ongoing policy. This would avoid loans and subsequent interest payments but still keep the policy in force.

Based on the comments about MM dividends likely to go back up this could avoid having to cover an interest charge, no?

Just a thought based on previous board discussions.

pricespector
You betcha. You can use a partial surrenders of PUAs to fund the shortfall as well. Nice addition to the previous post!

fleetwoodjack
thanks blastAway