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ira payout for death benefit
Hi- My dad passed away last sept. He had a trust set up with his house etc, but also had an annuity account. This account was to be divided by my two other siblings and myself. We were given an option of rolling it over into an ira account, taking a lump sum, or spreading the lump sum over 5-years. I called my accountant and asked his advice, and I guess either he did not understand me, or I him, but he told me I should do what my situation in life lead me to. If I needed the money, then I should take the lump sum. Well, needing the money, I took the lump sum, but did not understand about the tax implications of this. Now my taxes are being done, and my accountant is saying I should have had taxes withheld(that is why I called him in the first place before I made a decision). I am nervous now, and just want to know what the worst case would be. What is the tax percentage on something like this. In other words, how much tax should have been taken out when I took the lump sum?
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Sorry to hear about your father. You are not alone when it comes to these decisions.
First, I would have told you that your accountant could have been asked by you, "what are the tax implications of each of my choices?" and could most likely have explained it clearly...had you asked. Well, hindsight is 20/20 and given the circumstances, it may not have been the first thing on your mind. So, the lump sum distribution from the IRA will be taxed as normal income in the year that you took it. It is simply added to your normal annual earned income and taxed accordingly. For example, if you made $50000 from your employment, plus you took out $50000 from the IRA: The IRS looks at it like you made $100k during the year and you will be taxed on the IRA at your highest income bracket. Fortunately, death proceeds do not have the 10% penalty normally associated with IRA withdrawals (if you were under 59.5 years old). Still, a $50000 IRA lump sum distribution could easily mean income taxes due in the neighborhood of $10,000-20,000...maybe slightly more or less. Had withholding been selected, you would have had the opportunity to name the percentage of Federal and State tax that you wanted to be withheld. If no specific percentages are given. the default withholding rate is 20% for Federal taxes. Last edited by pricespector : 04-06-2008 at 11:29 PM. |
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Thanks for the reply. Yes you are right, my head is else where theses days, and I have never been in the situation before. It is really amazing how unprepared one is for these things(unless you are in the business), and how little help you get from all the people involved including the estate lawyer etc. If you don't know the correct questions, you are screwed like I am now. Well, the taxes are being done now, and all I can hope for is that the deductions of my mortgage and other deductions will help enough to lower what I will owe somewhat.
Next question? Can you work out a payment plan like paying it off in installments? Unfortunately I paid down some debt, and then invested the rest into accounts that I can't access for a few more months(cds etc). I have never been in this position before, so I have never had to worry about this. I will definitely ask questions here when it comes time to sell my dads house and what then to do with that money once the estate settles. All I know is I wish I could just have my Dad back. That is the one question, sadly, that I know the answer to! |
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I know what you mean...life has a way of throwing us all some curves. It happens to everyone.
To answer your question about setting up a payment plan...the answer is most likely yes. You can read about it here: http://www.irs.gov/individuals/arti...=149373,00.html Your accountant can help you do it. It should be pretty routine for him/her. It may be more financially sound to take a small hit on a CD interest surrender charge and pay it all off up front though. The government will be charging you to set up the plan, administer it, and will also be charging you interest. |
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Lucyred,
Sorry to hear of you losing your father. Regarding your tax situation, even if you had the right amount of withholding when you took the lump sum payout, in the end, you would pay the same amount of tax. It is just that you would have paid the tax on the lump earlier. And now you know more and can be better prepared for the next windfall that comes your way, lottery winnings, your rich uncle dies and leaves you all his money, etc. Hold some back for a year or 2. So do not kick yourself too much. |
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