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Old 11-10-2008, 10:25 PM   #1
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Pension max or reduced benifit

I am retiring this year from our pension plan and entering the DROP (Deferred Retirement Option Plan) and will continue to work at my current salary for 8 year while the benefit chose below will be deposited into the DROP account, waiting for me when I depart my job. I am a healthy 44 and I can select an option from my pension to provide for a beneficiary (my wife who is also a healthy 44), if I choose. Both of our parents are alive and we have no children. My annual pension is a defined benefit that can vary from $73,000 to $81,500 depending on which option I choose below:
• $6,794 per month Max benefit (100% benefit for my life, no benificiary)
• $6,661 per month 25% to surviving beneficiary for her life
• $6,428 per month 50% to surviving beneficiary
• $6,259 per month 75% to surviving beneficiary
• $6,100 per month 100% to surviving beneficiary
Here is some more information to help decide on whether to take a decreased benefit and supplement with term life insurance (paid for with post tax dollars).

My monthly benefit has a 3% COLA which makes both the benefit and or the potential savings worth more.

The DROP (Deferred retirement option plan) allows me to continue working for up to 8 years while my pension benefit is deposited into an account monthly. This account has an 8% guaranteed return. Max benefit - (8 years X 81,500 = 652,000) X 8% annual compounded interest and the 3 % annual COLA applied to the benefit.

There is no relation to beneficiary health coverage tied in to the decision.

I had my physical and am pre qualified for up to 2 million dollars 30 year term @ an annual cost of $4,200 and up to a 1 million 10 year term @ an annual cost of $800 (to cover the DROP listed above). To be safe, I got approved for what I thought would be the absolute max needed. I got prices in 250,000 increments both policies..

Our life expectancy is 84, 10 years beyond the 30 year term policy.

My thinking is that a combination would be best. The life insurance is tax free, immediate and would cover the lost DROP if I passed sooner rather than later. By the time the 30 year policy expires, the DROP account and the savings should equate to a considerable amount. She would get a monthly amount from my pension, with a COLA and not have to worry about investments

By reducing her benefit she gets a lower guaranteed monthly payment with a COLA, a larger DROP account with compounding interest of 8% and all that we save or accumulate for all the years receiving the larger benefit and the life insurance can be transferred or cancelled if she passes before I do.


My concerns are the Life ins. Companies stability. They are all A+ rated and I would split the coverage equally between them. Also my concern is the premium changing or some other small print loophole, or simply missing a payment.

Thanks in advance for any help

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Old 11-11-2008, 10:57 AM   #2
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Have you looked into permanent life so that there could be a cash value available to you in the event your wife predeceases you?
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Old 11-11-2008, 04:53 PM   #3
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life insurance

yes, it was very expensive and did not mature for 27-33 years.
1 million was 600 a month.
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Old 11-12-2008, 02:14 PM   #4
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Does your wife have any other source of retirement? If no, the answer seems pretty clear to me.
Statistically, you're going to kick off well before she does, so you should take care of her - 100% surviving beneficiary.

Congrats on retiring at 44! Enjoy it!
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Old 11-16-2008, 11:21 AM   #5
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no, she does not.
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Old 11-18-2008, 03:14 AM   #6
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Variable Universal Life Insurance

First of all, congratulations on your retirement conditions!!! Nice to know that the days of the pension aren't entirely dead YET! Also nice to know that you are attempting to make an informed decision and are very mindful about your retirement.

Traditional Whole Life as suggested earlier in this thread fits the bill, but almost in every circumstance, is a complete waste of money. Therefore, I recommend that you have your financial professional/advisor put together a Variable Universal Life Insurance Proposal for you. This product is not for everyone, but it seems to fit your needs. When you see the proposal, you will see that your contributions over and above your insurance costs and fees, go into a separate account that is based on mutual fund performance. Since you are relatively young, and the market is down, this is a great time to take a moderate risk. In the end, what you will get is the protection of the policy amount, but also a significant tax-free supplement to your retirement. Even though your pension provides for an inflation adjustment, having extra money for vacations, superior health care, or to pass in your legacy should also be considered.

Have that person assemble the proposal with a $1Million Face policy, contributions of $694/month (difference between 0% and 100% beneficiary vesting), contributions up to 84 years of age (your life expectancy), assuming 8-10% growth (scaled back to 5-6% in retirement), with a level death benefit.

Although this is not typically how I would construct the policy, it would serve as a great illustration for you to compare in contrast to what you are currently thinking. If constructed in this manner, I would consider taking out an additional $1Million 10 Year Term Policy. After the 10 years go by, allow it to lapse, because the VUL is starting to grow some serious cash value.

What you will have is a way more than adequate death benefit to sustain your wife's lifestyle AND a rather substantial tax-free retirement supplement that has grown in your life policy. In this example, at age 84, when you cease contributions into the policy, you would have $1.5Million TAX FREE to borrow from your policy value (with reasonable accumulation assumptions).

While this is not the manner in which I would structure the VUL for you, it serves as a great example that it is something that is worth looking at. You without a doubt run the risk of dying early, which increases the chances of poor financial decisions with a $1-2MIL lump sum, tax free life insurance pay-out. However, this too can be remedied if properly worded in a trust.

I know that I have left out a ton of information, but due to my time constraints, I cannot write a term paper on this. I just hope that it helps you out. If you do not have a financial planner that can put this together for you, send me an email, and I will mail you a customized VUL/Prospectus that you can then present to a local professional.

A combination of Term Insurance and Annuities may also fit the same bill. Annuities, like the VUL, grow tax deferred and have benefiary protections built into them. Too hard to tell you what to do without you spilling your guts on your whole financial situation and goals.

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P.S. Part of what you pay in life insurance premiums is a state tax that protects for insurance company insolvency. Therefore, life insurance pay-outs may in fact be more secure than your pension, unless you have a government pension. Supreme court rulings for companies under extreme financial duress can either slash or eliminate your pension too. When shopping for any insurance policy look for a company that is conservative with its assets.
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Old 12-16-2008, 05:31 PM   #7
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Are you a Fireman or Police Officer? What state do you live in?
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