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Retained Earnings
There is an entry on the Balance Sheet called 'Retained Earnings'.
Can anybody tell me what it is all about, and how important it is?
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Retained earnings are defined as earnings that are retained by the company as opposed to being distributed to shareholders via dividends. By retaining earnings, the company has the ability to reinvest those earnings or otherwise use those earnings to improve the company. Obviously earnings that are distributed to shareholders are no longer available to the company, and reflect a belief - perhaps - that the shareholder knows better what to do with the money that the company has earned through its operations. There are some investment camps that put considerable emphasis on retained earnings - read, for example, Marty Whitman's thoughts on value investing. Others, of course, seem to want companies to distribute as much of the earnings as possible to the shareholders (I tend to think that if someone doesn't think the company knows what to do with the money it is making, he/she may want to find another company in which to invest). Of course, certain asset subclasses, such as REITs, are required by law to distribute a set percentage of earnings to shareholders. It can actually be a great point to consider, and the level of importance that someone puts on retained earnings can tell quite a bit about that person's investment philosophy. Hope this helps. Regards, TJ |
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Dear TJ,
Thanks. I have not quite decided on a 'level of importance' for retained earnings . . . but that was one of the things I found 'enlightening' when I went to find out why CMS Energy was such a loser - especially as compared to Dominion Resources (D) and WPS. (D and WPS had positive earnings, and a nice positive retained earnings while CMS had negative retained earnings as well as negative earnings. It seems a couple of sites were also lying about CMS's earnings - the liars were saying CMS had positive earnings and a low P/E ratio when, in fact, CMS had been losing money the last three years. I was very peeved when I figured it out.)
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Retained Earnings and Utes
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By my view, you have to look at retained earnings a little bit differently in regards to utilities with regulated businesses. The regulated business model does not put a premium on capital reinvestment, so that the dividend payout is more important for shareholder return. In that regards, the payout ratio (dividend/earnings) might be a more important parameter in assessing how "safe" the dividend is. Of course, with the mix of regulated and nonregulated businesses that most utes now engage in, this concept is a bit fuzzier than it was in the days prior to deregulation. And, I think you have to look past the retained earnings question in comparing D and WPS with CMS. I don't know the full histories so someone might find it easy to correct me here, but I think CMS made the decision back in the hey-day of dereg and energy marketing to take on a huge level of debt to become a primary generator of power to be sold into the freer market. The trouble is there is now a lot of overcapacity, and those utes who sought to become primary generators are having as many problems in debt servicing as those companie that embarked on energy trading. D and WPS maintained very different models than CMS during that period of time, which proved - so far - to be the right decision. TJ |
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I would add to the previous posts that it is important to keep in mind that while retained earnings represent the accumulation of net income over time, it does not necessarily follow that there is cash available to make future distributions of that income.
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